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I need help from someone please in that you can you tell me what it means when this person that I found in Defuntos in our village of Huejuquilla, Jalisco Mexico in the year 1797.

Says "Don Fernando Arquelles Natural Del Prinicipal De Asturias"

What does it say or mean about Asturias? I have no relation to him but just curious.

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Source:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18449-54312-19?cc=1874591&wc…

Has anyone been hit with the geneology bug? I am doing lots of research now I got hit with the geneology bug.

Don Fernando Arquelles was from Asturias. There were a number of Asturians in the general area of Huejuquilla el Alto/Valparais/Mesquitic in the late 1790 time frame. Don Domingo Antonio Felgueres came from Villaviciosa, Asturias in 1790 and served as lieutenant governor of Mesquitic (Mezquitic); he died in 1798 from unknown causes. Domingo's brother, Josef, was a Franciscan friar who came about the same time and you will find him periodically in different records. There were at least two other Asturians, Don Antonio Lopez del Llano, Domingo's best friend, and Don Alonzo Lopez del Campo, a cousin of Don Antonio.

FWIW, in the 1700's the Asturians (and other españoles) came to Mexico looking to marry wealthy criollo daughters (I can give you references/sources if you are interested). The wealthy criollo fathers would prefer a Peninsular son-in-law to a Mexican-born son-in-law even if the Peninsular was not particularly wealthy or not of high social class. Both Domingo Antonio Felgueres and Antontio Lopez del Llano married into the wealthy Martinez family of Mesquitic. The Martinez family's wealth was likely from the silver mines of Bolaños; they also lived near Totatiche. When Domingo Antonio Felgueres died, Antonio Lopez del Campo, married Domingo's widow.

It is all about money. The Spaniards loved God, Glory and Gold (Silver), not necessarily in that order.

Thanks Ed,

This is all interesting. So many thoughts on Don Fernando. When you mention Bolanos? That village is still a place with a rich deposit of gold and silver. But currently Majestic Silver Corp of Canada is working that place over 30,000 hectares. There were protests from the land owners.

There are pre-existing mines all over the place. I have been to one on foot/horseback. Where my grandmother owns that hill. The hill covered with crystal quart rocks.

thank you for sharing.. genealogy isn't just abt names and dates but the lives and history that go with them.. You put flesh on the name.
Linda in Olympia, Wa

On Sunday, May 25, 2014 9:28 AM, "ed@serros.net" wrote:

Don Fernando Arquelles was from Asturias.  There were a number of Asturians in the general area of Huejuquilla el Alto/Valparais/Mesquitic in the late 1790 time frame.  Don Domingo Antonio Felgueres came from Villaviciosa, Asturias in 1790 and served as lieutenant governor of Mesquitic (Mezquitic); he died in 1798 from unknown causes.  Domingo's brother, Josef, was a Franciscan friar who came about the same time and you will find him periodically in different records.  There were at least two other Asturians, Don Antonio Lopez del Llano, Domingo's best friend, and Don Alonzo Lopez del Campo, a cousin of Don Antonio.

FWIW, in the 1700's the Asturians (and other españoles) came to Mexico looking to marry wealthy criollo daughters (I can give you references/sources if you are interested).  The wealthy criollo fathers would prefer a Peninsular son-in-law to a Mexican-born son-in-law even if the Peninsular was not particularly wealthy or not of high social class.  Both Domingo Antonio Felgueres and Antontio Lopez del Llano married into the wealthy Martinez family of Mesquitic.  The Martinez family's wealth was likely from the silver mines of Bolaños; they also lived near Totatiche.  When Domingo Antonio Felgueres died, Antonio Lopez del Campo, married Domingo's widow.

It is all about money.  The Spaniards loved God, Glory and Gold (Silver), not necessarily in that order.

Hi ?,

It means don Fernando Arguelles is a native of the Principality of Asturias, a place in northern Spain.

Christopher de Cuellar

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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Defunto Don Fernando Arquelles Natural Del Principal de Asturias 1797

I need help from someone please in that you can you tell me what it means when this person that I found in Defuntos in our village of Huejuquilla, Jalisco Mexico in the year 1797.

Says "Don Fernando Arquelles Natural Del Prinicipal De Asturias"

What does it say or mean about Asturias?  I have no relation to him but just curious.

http://oi62.tinypic.com/2jdjkev.jpg

Source:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18449-54312-19?cc=1874591&wc…

Has anyone been hit with the geneology bug?  I am doing lots of research now I got hit with the geneology bug.

Welcome to the fascinating world of history and genealogy! We all catch it eventually. The feeling of desire, intrigue, hunger after genealogy. One door opens three and before we know it, our family tree can span several generations over centuries. Genealogy is truly and art, not a mere hobby.

The document is beautifully written. It should say, "Don Fernando de Arguelles, natural del Principado de Asturias, de veinte anos." What sparks my curiosity is he was only twenty years old and was called Don. It was very common during colonial Mexico for these "youngsters" to be imported by their wealthy uncles to administrate their businesses. He was from Asturias, Spain, de facto, he was "asturiano" by birth. There are numerous Arguelles families in the region, most seem to descend from the main house in Asturias. The ones nearby in Zacatecas were the Arguelles y Miranda who married into the Sanchez de Tagle family who possesed the Marquisate of Altamira the other one of interest are the Arguelles y Quinones who married into the Montes y Vigil family. My question is what was don Fernando, a young twenty year old doing at this location. He did not even live enough to marry and reproduce, which was usually the main objective of these peninsulares along with their businesses.
The peninsulares often seeked to marry wealthy criollas to establish themselves really quickly in the region, which would ensure them, the important family links, etc. Is it not interesting how all these questions came from one simple question? This is what we need to do, brainstorm. What was he doing there? Are there any documents that may give us a lead, was he a landowner, was there a court case he was involved with? Was he residing somewhere else? Why did he come to New Spain? Who were his parents, the list goes on. Document everything.

Then again, this is not really someone you are interested in? Once you become addicted to genealogy you become me!

Daniel Mendez de Torres y Camino

Oh thank you Daniel Mende de Torres y Camino!

I did not know that what you are telling me about the Arguelles family and that why he had the title, "Don" at twenty years and it clearly says from Asturias.

He was buried in our village of Huejuquilla, Jalisco, Mexico in 1797 and what caught my attention was the word, "Asturias" Now you answered it and gave a lot of interesting information now. I am going to hold on to this document and pursue this one and try to answer your questions. This is very interesting and I try to save the ones that I run across that looks odd or interesting.

But right now I am looking for the defunto record of my great great great great grandfather Francisco Madera of Rancho De Los Maderas, where he had a son name Juan Benancio (Venancio) Madera in 1762 at Rancho De Los Maderas, because once I find it I may get the name of his parents which is another generation to backtrack.

This is really good what your telling me and I will pursue this one on Don Fernando De Arguelles.

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