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Two recent 'brick walls': José Navarro and Juana Flores, and Perfecto Gonzalez

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Por Lawrence Bouett | Jue, 03/01/2013 - 22:40

I have had extraordinary success in conducting research on a friend's (primarily) Jalisco genealogy, much of it back to the late 16th- and early 17th-Centuries; but there remain several brick walls that are much more recent. Here are two of them:

José Navarro and Juana Flores are the parents of María Macedonia Navarro Flores. Macedonia, as she was known, married José Juan Campos (of the Martín del Campo line) Maldonado 07 January 1884 in Tecualtitán, Zapotlán del Rey. Her age was given in the record as 20, the daughter of José Navarro and Juana Flores. She was "... originaria y vecina de las Presas ...". I have been unable to find any further information about her birth date (and even location, for that matter), nor anything further about her parents, except that they are listed as abuelos in records of the births of Macedonia's children. Any information on this puzzle is greatly appreciated.

And even more recently: Sylviano Gonzalez married María Aurelia Reynoso in Guadalajara 03 March 1928. Sylviano's parents are given as Perfecto Gonzalez and María Josefina de Jesús Barba Ruíz. Both Perfecto and Josefina are listed in the 1930 census, and Perfecto's birth place is given as Zacatecas in the census. I have been able to trace Josefina's lineage back multiple generations, but Perfecto Gonzalez is a complete mystery to me. Again, any information is greatly appreciated.

Sometimes, these modern 'brick walls' persist for a long time; I went for more than 25 years without documentation for one of my own great-grandfathers, but when I was finally able to climb over the brick wall, I found him in Maryland and his family in Germany for multiple generations.

These two Mexican puzzles have confounded me for more than a year and a half.

Best wishes,
Lawrence Bouett

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Armando

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Two recent 'brick walls'

Since you have been stumped for more than a year and a half, this is where autosomal tests could come in handy. They provide a list of matches to autosomal DNA. Everyone in the list is a relative, the downside is that they don't always have a completed tree and they don't always respond. However, sometimes they just don't know how to complete their tree and since you know how to do that then you might find the connection between them. Sometimes it might be along a line you already have completed, but if it isn't then it is probably one the missing ancestors' line. I can provide you personal examples if you would like to see them.

The three companies are -

Family Finder with FamilyTreeDNA (highest response rate)

Ancestry.com DNA test (Genetic Ethnicity can be way off. Medium response rate)

23andme.com (Lowest response rate. No information on the match is available unless they respond. It has the best ethnicity breakdown)

Information in parenthesis is per the info found in the following two links -

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GENEALOGY-DNA/2012-12/135…

http://www.yourgeneticgenealogist.com/2012/12/comparing-admixture-test-…

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Armando

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Brick Walls and DNA

Armando,

Thank you for the suggestion; I hadn't really thought so much about DNA testing. The line I am researching is that of a friend in Los Angeles, both of whose parents are from Guadalajara—hence, my Jalisco interest. My own line includes only 3/16 'Californio'—from México, Costa Rica, Spain, and Venezuela, but it is that line with which I identify most closely in my own genealogy. (My Costa Rican 2X-great-grandparents founded a community in Los Angeles that is still thriving and active.)

I will suggest the DNA route to my friend to gauge her interest; that may be a way to overcome one or more of the current brick walls.

Saludos,
Lawrence

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Two recent 'brick walls':

for jose navarro & juana flores, this what i could find on familysearch
https://familysearch.org/search/records/results#count=20&query=%2Bfathe…

by the way the cities of ponictlan, and ocotlan are nearby zapotlan el rey
http://www.e-local.gob.mx/work/templates/enciclo/jalisco/pres.htm
you find those three cities in the region 4 map.

not sure how to help you on the perfecto gonzales lineage

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Macedonia Navarro

Thank you for the tip; the births in that FamilySearch search, however, are 35–40 years too early, since Macedonia Navarro's age at her marriage in 1884 was given as 20 years, which makes her birth year about 1864.

Lawrence Bouett

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