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Primos & Primas,
I have updated my CORRECT maternal ancestry after reviewing marriage records. In addition, I would be interested in collaborating with those who have mtDNA Haplogroup H1:

Jalostotitlan, San Miguel El Alto, Cerro Blanco & Tepatitlán de Morelos, Jalisco, Mexico

1. Grandparents: Secundino Gutierrez & Maria de Jesus Gutierrez
2. Great-Grandparents: Juan Gutierrez & Rita Gonzalez
3. GGrandparents: Felipe Gonzalez & Juliana Gomez
4. GGrandparents: Versulo Gomez & Balvina de la Torre
5. GGrandparents: Rafael De La Torre & Maria de la Merced Gonzalez
6. GGrandparents: Miguel Gonzalez de Hermosillo & Anna Josefa Romo de Vivar
7. GGrandparents: Sebastian Romo de Vivar & Francisca Pares/Perez Franco
8. GGrandparents: Alonso Perez Franco & Juana Casillas
9. GGrandparents: Francisco Casillas y Cabrera & Luisa Lozano Gonzales
10. GGrandparents: Jacinto Lozano Gonzalez & Juana Gonsales de Rubalcaba Rodas
11. GGrandparents: Fulgencio Gonzalez de Rubalcaba & Luisa de Rodas
12. GGrandparents: Hernando Villegas & Ines Lopez de Nava
13. GGrandparents: Juan Lopez de Nava & Ines Lopez Muniz

Thank you to all my Nuestros Ranchos primos/primas for your continued assistance in researching our ancestors!
Rosa - FamiliasJalos

Primos y Primas,
Hola. He actualizado mi ascendencia materna correcta después de revisar los registros de matrimonio. Además, estaría interesado en colaborar con ustedes que tienen ADNmt haplogrupo H1:

Jalostotitlán, San Miguel El Alto, Cerro Blanco y Tepatitlán de Morelos, Jalisco, México

1. Abuelos: Secundino Gutiérrez y María de Jesús Gutiérrez
2. Bisabuelos: Juan Gutiérrez y Rita González
3. Bisabuelos: Felipe González y Juliana Gómez
4. Bisabuelos: Versulo Gómez y Balvina de la Torre
5. Bisabuelos: Rafael De La Torre y María de la Merced González
6. Bisabuelos: Miguel González de Hermosillo y Ana Josefa Romo de Vivar
7. Bisabuelos: Sebastián Romo de Vivar y Francisca Pares / Pérez Franco
8. Bisabuelos: Alonso Pérez Franco y Juana Casillas
9. Bisabuelos: Casillas y Francisco Cabrera y Luis Lozano González
10. Bisabuelos: Jacinto Lozano González y Juana Gonsales de Rubalcaba Rodas
11. Bisabuelos: Fulgencio González de Rubalcaba y Luisa de Rodas
12. Bisabuelos: Hernando Villegas y López Inés de Nava
13. Bisabuelos: Juan López de Nava y Muñiz López Inés

¡Gracias a todos mis primos/primas de Nuestros Ranchos para su continua asistencia en la investigación de nuestros antepasados!
Rosa - FamiliasJalos

Rosa, because of a dispensa recently indexed at
www.guadalajaradispensas.comI reread your post. Since I descend from
Juan Lopez de Nava & Ines Lopez
Muniz twice I was happy to see you had posted the mtDNA haplogroup of Ines
Lopez Muniz. Did you do any further testing or find any matches? Did you
have anyone do a Y-DNA test?

Saludos,
Armando

2011/6/3

> Primos & Primas,
> I have updated my CORRECT maternal ancestry after reviewing marriage
> records. In addition, I would be interested in collaborating with those who
> have mtDNA Haplogroup H1:
>
> Jalostotitlan, San Miguel El Alto, Cerro Blanco & Tepatitlán de Morelos,
> Jalisco, Mexico
>
> 1. Grandparents: Secundino Gutierrez & Maria de Jesus Gutierrez
> 2. Great-Grandparents: Juan Gutierrez & Rita Gonzalez
> 3. GGrandparents: Felipe Gonzalez & Juliana Gomez
> 4. GGrandparents: Versulo Gomez & Balvina de la Torre
> 5. GGrandparents: Rafael De La Torre & Maria de la Merced Gonzalez
> 6. GGrandparents: Miguel Gonzalez de Hermosillo & Anna Josefa Romo de Vivar
> 7. GGrandparents: Sebastian Romo de Vivar & Francisca Pares/Perez Franco
> 8. GGrandparents: Alonso Perez Franco & Juana Casillas
> 9. GGrandparents: Francisco Casillas y Cabrera & Luisa Lozano Gonzales
> 10. GGrandparents: Jacinto Lozano Gonzalez & Juana Gonsales de Rubalcaba
> Rodas
> 11. GGrandparents: Fulgencio Gonzalez de Rubalcaba & Luisa de Rodas
> 12. GGrandparents: Hernando Villegas & Ines Lopez de Nava
> 13. GGrandparents: Juan Lopez de Nava & Ines Lopez Muniz
>
> Thank you to all my Nuestros Ranchos primos/primas for your continued
> assistance in researching our ancestors!
> Rosa - FamiliasJalos
>
>
> Primos y Primas,
> Hola. He actualizado mi ascendencia materna correcta después de revisar
> los registros de matrimonio. Además, estaría interesado en colaborar con
> ustedes que tienen ADNmt haplogrupo H1:
>
> Jalostotitlán, San Miguel El Alto, Cerro Blanco y Tepatitlán de Morelos,
> Jalisco, México
>
> 1. Abuelos: Secundino Gutiérrez y María de Jesús Gutiérrez
> 2. Bisabuelos: Juan Gutiérrez y Rita González
> 3. Bisabuelos: Felipe González y Juliana Gómez
> 4. Bisabuelos: Versulo Gómez y Balvina de la Torre
> 5. Bisabuelos: Rafael De La Torre y María de la Merced González
> 6. Bisabuelos: Miguel González de Hermosillo y Ana Josefa Romo de Vivar
> 7. Bisabuelos: Sebastián Romo de Vivar y Francisca Pares / Pérez Franco
> 8. Bisabuelos: Alonso Pérez Franco y Juana Casillas
> 9. Bisabuelos: Casillas y Francisco Cabrera y Luis Lozano González
> 10. Bisabuelos: Jacinto Lozano González y Juana Gonsales de Rubalcaba Rodas
> 11. Bisabuelos: Fulgencio González de Rubalcaba y Luisa de Rodas
> 12. Bisabuelos: Hernando Villegas y López Inés de Nava
> 13. Bisabuelos: Juan López de Nava y Muñiz López Inés
>
> ¡Gracias a todos mis primos/primas de Nuestros Ranchos para su continua
> asistencia en la investigación de nuestros antepasados!
> Rosa - FamiliasJalos
>
>
>
>

Primos Rosa y Armando,

I know all us with ancestors from Los Altos in Jalisco are related to each
other several times over, but I always find it enjoyable when a match is
identified. I also descend from Fulgencio Gonzalez de Rubalcaba & Luisa
Rodas by way of their daughter Beatriz Gonzalez de Rubalcaba y de Rodas:

1 Gpts Manuel Ruiz y Consuelo Veloz
2. GGpts Felipe Ruiz Rubalcaba y Apolonaria Lopez
3. 2GGpts Jose Francisco Ruiz y Maria Silvana Rubalcaba
4. 3GGpts Jose de la Trinidad Ruiz y Juana Neponcena Perez
5. 4GGpts Jose Ignacio Perez de la Mora y Maria Antonia Gonzalez de
Hermosillo
6. 5GGpts Nicolas Ysidro Perez y Maria Josefa de la Mora
7. 6GGpts Melchor Manuel Perez de Paredes y Juana Maria Martin del Campo
de Hermosillo
8. 7GGpts Agustin Perez de Paredes y Caltalina Gonzalez de Hermosillo
9. Melchor Gonzalez de Hermosillo y Francisca Renteria Mojica
10. Melchor Gonzalez de Hermosillo y Beatriz Gonzalez de Rubalcaba y de
Rodas
11. Fulgencio González de Rubalcaba y Luisa de Rodas

Raquel Ruiz

Pat Silva Corbera

13 years 1 month ago

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Both of you shared the common ancestry of Fulgencio Gonzalez de Rubalcaba y Luisa de Rodas.

I have this couple in my data file with a daughter Ines Gonzalez de Ruvalcaba who married Miguel Gutierrez de Hermosillo... Marriage date of 14 Apr 1654 Lagos De Moreno, Jalisco...

I have a couple of questions:

1.) Do either one of you have Ines/Ynes in your file as being a sibling of Beatriz Gonzalez de Rubalcaba y de Rodas and Juana Gonsales de Rubalcaba Rodas?

2.) What source/s do you have for Beatriz and Juana?

3.) I did find a reference online to Santa Maria De Los Lagos, Logos De Moreno, Jalisco...Film # 221404 in the Bautismos 1634-1665 for Ines y Miguel, but didn't locate their record dated 14 Apr 1654, though there are marriage records in with the bapt records. Would these marriage records for this time frame be listed under a different parish?

I have no additional information as to Ines y Miguel's offspring...Tino's link is through Miguel Gutierrez de Hermosillo son of Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo y Ana Gonzalez Florida. His linking is through this couple's daughter Ana Gonzalez de Hermosillo married to Diego Sanchez-Carranza

Juan and Ana are Tino's 9th ggparents.

Ines Gonzalez de Ruvalcaba is his 8th ggaunt through her marriage to Miguel Gutierrez de Hermosillo (Tino's 8th gguncle) and not a direct line.

Appreciate your help - Thank you,
Pat & Tino Corbera
Tracy CA

*Footnote: Tino's mtDNA HVR1 & HVR2 is Haplogroup A (Native American)... My HVR1 & HVR2 Haplogroup is H1. My ancestors were mainly from the Madeira Islands, Portugal & Western Europe.

Pat,
Sorry I haven't responded sooner. I'm very stressed for time these days
and don't expect that to change in the near future. My source is
secondary, ie *Retonos de Espana en la Nueva Galicia *by Mariano
Gonzalez-Leal. I have found it to be so rich a source of info for me that
I haven't had time to post all my ancestor's sibs, nor have I had much time
to use it to guide me to the primary sources, which I need to do. Ynes,
Beatriz and Juana are noted as sisters on pages 311-314 of Tomo IV, Vol.
2. In Tomo IV, Vol 1, pg 250 lists only two children for Miguel and
Ines--Lorenza Gutierrez de Rodas, md to Joseph Perez-Franco, and Miguel
Gutierrez de Hermosillo, d 1697, md in Lagos in 1684 to Emerenciana de
Reynoso y Renteria. I really do recommend the *Retonos* series. While I
have come across some omissions (very few, given its scope), it is a wealth
of information.
Raquel Ruiz

Thank you Raquel for confirming that Ines is one of the family daughters.

Where did you purchase these Volumes? I checked the Internet but didn't see them listed for sale...

Pat Silva Corbera

----- Original Message -----
From: "Raquel Ruiz"
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 2:42:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Direct Maternal Ancestry and mtDNA haplogroup H1

Pat,
Sorry I haven't responded sooner. I'm very stressed for time these days
and don't expect that to change in the near future. My source is
secondary, ie *Retonos de Espana en la Nueva Galicia *by Mariano
Gonzalez-Leal. I have found it to be so rich a source of info for me that
I haven't had time to post all my ancestor's sibs, nor have I had much time
to use it to guide me to the primary sources, which I need to do. Ynes,
Beatriz and Juana are noted as sisters on pages 311-314 of Tomo IV, Vol.
2. In Tomo IV, Vol 1, pg 250 lists only two children for Miguel and
Ines--Lorenza Gutierrez de Rodas, md to Joseph Perez-Franco, and Miguel
Gutierrez de Hermosillo, d 1697, md in Lagos in 1684 to Emerenciana de
Reynoso y Renteria. I really do recommend the *Retonos* series. While I
have come across some omissions (very few, given its scope), it is a wealth
of information.
Raquel Ruiz

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