By conrique |

No, Leticia. All LDS films do NOT have Batch numbers, - - - and the Librarians at the Family History Center we both frequent tell me that there is no Cross-Index list for Film #-to-existing-Batch numbers.
But Lynn Turner (of LDS in Salt Lake City and a member of this Forum) could set us straight if this is in error !

As to the Film Numbers that you inquired about (#291844, #291845, and #291846) of Silao, Guanajuato, I think they relate to church records of the Santiago Apostol Parish and I do not believe they have respectrive Batch numbers.

I do have 6 Batch Numbers/Film#s for the Santiago Apostol Parish in Neutla (ranging from 1719 to 1843) - - - if it is the same - - - that I can provide you, if they relate to your search.

Saludos,

Efrain

Thank you for your offer. Any way I have a film number to order and also a date, may 20, 1688 baptism Silao, Gto. I was willing to see what the film content, through a batch number.

In fact that date was giving to me by Lic Mariano Gonzalez-Leal in reference to his so much expected book, Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia (II) which will have my De Cos Y Leon surname.

My 8th. ancestor, Miguel De Leon Y Ramírez De Coy was baptized that date in Silao. his grandpha Juan De Leon was born in Aragon, Spain.

conrique escribió:

No, Leticia. All LDS films do NOT have Batch numbers, - - - and the Librarians at the Family History Center we both frequent tell me that there is no Cross-Index list for Film #-to-existing-Batch numbers.
But Lynn Turner (of LDS in Salt Lake City and a member of this Forum) could set us straight if this is in error !

As to the Film Numbers that you inquired about (#291844, #291845, and #291846) of Silao, Guanajuato, I think they relate to church records of the Santiago Apostol Parish and I do not believe they have respectrive Batch numbers.

I do have 6 Batch Numbers/Film#s for the Santiago Apostol Parish in Neutla (ranging from 1719 to 1843) - - - if it is the same - - - that I can provide you, if they relate to your search.

Saludos,

Efrain

Efrain et al,

I responded to a post with a similar topic in the last email list (vol 20, issue
11), however, I left out some stuff...

The Parish and Vital Records list on micrfiche is the best PUBLISHED resource
for batch numbers. Beware that it has not been updated for nearly 10 years, but
it is a good place to start. I mentioned my favorite way to identify batch
numbers in my earlier email. It is correct to say that not all microfilms have
batch numbers, my best guess (and it's only a guess) is about 1/3 of the parish
records in the Family History Library collection have been extracted. Please
beware that not all of these have ended up in the IGI database.

Besides finding batch numbers on your own, you can also email
support@familysearch.org. The Family History Dept. has an internal limited
access database where support agents can search a microfilm number and pull up a
batch number. This internal database is not 'public knowledge' because I think
most people would lynch us if they knew it existed...it's a lot better than the
1998 P&VR list. Also, if you contact support don't tell them that I sent you. I
also have access to this database, however, my time is limited and will only be
able to do look-ups on a limited basis. I would look up btach numbers for the
before mentioned microfilms, but I'm in Austin, TX at the moment and don't have
access to the database. Thanks for your patience and let's explore some options
on how we can get a more comprehensive list of the batch numbers initially for
this research group. For more information on the IGI please see my blog post:

http://hispanicgenealogy.blogspot.com/2007/07/igi-on-familysearchorg.ht…

-Lynn

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Hi Leticia,

I noticed your correspondence included a reference to a forebear with the name "de Coy." Do you know anything about the name?

I have an ancestor with that name, a female, Catalina Gomez de Coy married to Juan de Caliz, living in Lepe, Spain, very south, near Portugal. They lived in the late 1500's. Their son immigrated to New Spain & gave his name as Bernardo de los Santos Coy. The name persists in south Texas.

One Mexican author I read was of the opinion that the name was from the Scottish McCoy, introduced into Spain by a traveler coming to visit the grave of Santiago.

I would appreciate anything you might know.

Thanks, Jan Jaeckle

Leticia Leon wrote:
Thank you for your offer. Any way I have a film number to order and also a date, may 20, 1688 baptism Silao, Gto. I was willing to see what the film content, through a batch number.

In fact that date was giving to me by Lic Mariano Gonzalez-Leal in reference to his so much expected book, Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia (II) which will have my De Cos Y Leon surname.

My 8th. ancestor, Miguel De Leon Y Ramírez De Coy was baptized that date in Silao. his grandpha Juan De Leon was born in Aragon, Spain.

conrique escribió:

No, Leticia. All LDS films do NOT have Batch numbers, - - - and the Librarians at the Family History Center we both frequent tell me that there is no Cross-Index list for Film #-to-existing-Batch numbers.
But Lynn Turner (of LDS in Salt Lake City and a member of this Forum) could set us straight if this is in error !

As to the Film Numbers that you inquired about (#291844, #291845, and #291846) of Silao, Guanajuato, I think they relate to church records of the Santiago Apostol Parish and I do not believe they have respectrive Batch numbers.

I do have 6 Batch Numbers/Film#s for the Santiago Apostol Parish in Neutla (ranging from 1719 to 1843) - - - if it is the same - - - that I can provide you, if they relate to your search.

Saludos,

Efrain

Jan,

That is very interesting. I had not heard that theory. I am descended from the same line. I am descended from Juan Caliz and Bernardo Santos Coy through my Arredondo family. I have a list of descendants but that is about it.

Have you checked out dna testing on the line or check spanish archives for information?

Esther
--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from Jan Jaeckle : --------------

> Hi Leticia,
>
> I noticed your correspondence included a reference to a forebear with the
> name "de Coy." Do you know anything about the name?
>
> I have an ancestor with that name, a female, Catalina Gomez de Coy
> married to Juan de Caliz, living in Lepe, Spain, very south, near Portugal.
> They lived in the late 1500's. Their son immigrated to New Spain & gave his
> name as Bernardo de los Santos Coy. The name persists in south Texas.
>
> One Mexican author I read was of the opinion that the name was from the
> Scottish McCoy, introduced into Spain by a traveler coming to visit the grave of
> Santiago.
>
> I would appreciate anything you might know.
>
> Thanks, Jan Jaeckle
>
>
>
>
> Leticia Leon wrote:
> Thank you for your offer. Any way I have a film number to order and also a
> date, may 20, 1688 baptism Silao, Gto. I was willing to see what the film
> content, through a batch number.
>
> In fact that date was giving to me by Lic Mariano Gonzalez-Leal in reference to
> his so much expected book, Reto

Hi! I have no clue, yet.
I am waiting for Lic. Mariano Gonzalez-Leal next edition of "Retonos de España en la Nueva Galicia", it will contain my ancestors.
My guess is "Ramirez De Coy" was converted to "De Cos" maybe during a procedure to claim a royal benefit. Merely an especulation on my part. Ramirez De Coy is a surname that arrived to Silao in a group of hidalgos which is equivalent to knight

It seems surname "De Leon" suddenly started been used as "De Cos Y Leon"

Here an extract from an e-mail from Don Mariano to me:

"Silao fue en el Virreinato asiento de importantes actividades
agrícolas, que
atrajeron numerosas familias españolas nobles, cuyas probanzas son válidas
para las Órdenes Nobiliarias españolas, por ejemplo los Jasso, Ponce
de
León, Arguello, Fernández de Bobadilla, Fernández de Sousa, Franco de
Escalante, Olazabalegui, Sáenz de Tagle, Muñatones de la Sierra,
Cervantes-Rendon, Ramírez de Coy, de la Gasea, etcétera.
Como la mayor parte de las fundaciones españolas, Silao perdió
importancia
con la independencia. En el siglo XIX y a partrir de la guerra de
independencia comenzó a rezagarse, y mucho peor después de la
revolución de
1910."

I am not a good translator.

My ancestor Miguel De Leon was born in Silao, Gto. on may 20, 1688, son of Jose De Leon and Gerónima Ramírez De Coy, his paternal grandparents were Juan De Leon and María De Escapa originals from Aragón, Spain.

There is a web site related to surname Ramírez De Coy it is www.abuelos.com if I recall correctly.

Hope answers arrive soon.

Jan Jaeckle escribió:

Hi Leticia,

I noticed your correspondence included a reference to a forebear with the name "de Coy." Do you know anything about the name?

I have an ancestor with that name, a female, Catalina Gomez de Coy married to Juan de Caliz, living in Lepe, Spain, very south, near Portugal. They lived in the late 1500's. Their son immigrated to New Spain & gave his name as Bernardo de los Santos Coy. The name persists in south Texas.

One Mexican author I read was of the opinion that the name was from the Scottish McCoy, introduced into Spain by a traveler coming to visit the grave of Santiago.

I would appreciate anything you might know.

---------------------------------

¡Sé un mejor besador!
Comparte todo lo que sabes sobre besos en:
http://mx.yahoo.com/promos/mejorbesador.html

do not know if this is correct but this is what we have found on the
Coy........

Descendants of Juan de Calis

Generation No. 1

1. JUAN1 DE CALIS was born 1575. He married CATALINA GOMEZ DE COY.

Child of JUAN DE CALIS and CATALINA DE COY is:

2. i. BERNARDO DE LOS SANTOS2 COY, b. 1603.

Generation No. 2

2. BERNARDO DE LOS SANTOS2 COY (JUAN1 DE CALIS) was born 1603. He married
BEATRIZ RUELAS ROJO.

Children of BERNARDO COY and BEATRIZ ROJO are:

3. i. BERNARDO DE LOS SANTOS3 COY, b. 1625; d. 1675.

ii. CATALINA DE LOS SANTOS COY, b. 1630; m. LORENZO GUTIERREZ GARCIA.

Generation No. 3

3. BERNARDO DE LOS SANTOS3 COY (BERNARDO DE LOS SANTOS2, JUAN1 DE CALIS) was
born 1625, and died 1675. He married INEZ DE LA CERDA 1645.

Children of BERNARDO COY and INEZ LA CERDA are:

4. i. PEDRO COY DE4 LOS SANTOS.

ii. JUAN DE CALIX COY DE LOS SANTOS, m. MARIA DIAZ.

5. iii. NICOLAS DE LOS SANTOS COY, b. 1645, Coahuila, Mexico.

iv. JOSE DE LOS SANTOS COY, m. LEONARDA GUAJARDO FLORES MARTINEZ.

v. DIEGO DE LOS SANTOS COY.

6. vi. ANA MARIA DE LA CERDA COY, d. 1707.

vii. BERNARDO DE LOS SANTOS COY, m. JUANA DE CEPEDA.

viii. CATALINA LOS SANTOS COY, m. (1) FRANCISCO SALAZAR TREVINO; m. (2)
LORENZO GUTIERREZ GARCIA; b. 1600.

Generation No. 4

4. PEDRO COY DE4 LOS SANTOS (BERNARDO DE LOS SANTOS3 COY, BERNARDO DE LOS
SANTOS2, JUAN1 DE CALIS) He married FRANCISA TREVINO MORALES.

Child of PEDRO LOS SANTOS and FRANCISA MORALES is:

i. PEDRO COY5 DE LOS SANTOS, b. 1662; m. MARGARITA MARTINES DE LA GARZA
FALCON, May 04, 1681; b. 1662.

5. NICOLAS DE LOS SANTOS4 COY (BERNARDO DE LOS SANTOS3, BERNARDO DE LOS
SANTOS2, JUAN1 DE CALIS) was born 1645 in Coahuila, Mexico. He married ANA
MARIA GUERRA.

Child of NICOLAS COY and ANA GUERRA is:

i. MARIA JOSEFA SANTOS5 COY, b. 1712; m. BLAS MARIA VILLARREAL DE LA GARZA
FALCON, Abt 1745; b. 1712, Real de las Salinas, Nuevo Leon , Mexico; d.
1767, Camargo, Mexico.

6. ANA MARIA DE LA CERDA4 COY (BERNARDO DE LOS SANTOS3, BERNARDO DE LOS
SANTOS2, JUAN1 DE CALIS) died 1707. She married DIEGO FERNANDEZ DE CASTRO.
He was born 1623 in Alferez Real Diego FERNANDEZ CASTRO, and died April 18,
1672.

Child of ANA COY and DIEGO DE CASTRO is:

i. JOSEFA FERNANDEZ5 CASTRO, b. 1652.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Leticia Leon"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 11:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Ramirez De Coy

Hi! I have no clue, yet.
I am waiting for Lic. Mariano Gonzalez-Leal next edition of "Retonos de
España en la Nueva Galicia", it will contain my ancestors.
My guess is "Ramirez De Coy" was converted to "De Cos" maybe during a
procedure to claim a royal benefit. Merely an especulation on my part.
Ramirez De Coy is a surname that arrived to Silao in a group of hidalgos
which is equivalent to knight

It seems surname "De Leon" suddenly started been used as "De Cos Y Leon"

Here an extract from an e-mail from Don Mariano to me:

"Silao fue en el Virreinato asiento de importantes actividades
agrícolas, que
atrajeron numerosas familias españolas nobles, cuyas probanzas son válidas
para las Órdenes Nobiliarias españolas, por ejemplo los Jasso, Ponce
de
León, Arguello, Fernández de Bobadilla, Fernández de Sousa, Franco de
Escalante, Olazabalegui, Sáenz de Tagle, Muñatones de la Sierra,
Cervantes-Rendon, Ramírez de Coy, de la Gasea, etcétera.
Como la mayor parte de las fundaciones españolas, Silao perdió
importancia
con la independencia. En el siglo XIX y a partrir de la guerra de
independencia comenzó a rezagarse, y mucho peor después de la
revolución de
1910."

I am not a good translator.

My ancestor Miguel De Leon was born in Silao, Gto. on may 20, 1688, son of
Jose De Leon and Gerónima Ramírez De Coy, his paternal grandparents were
Juan De Leon and María De Escapa originals from Aragón, Spain.

There is a web site related to surname Ramírez De Coy it is
www.abuelos.com if I recall correctly.

Hope answers arrive soon.

Jan Jaeckle escribió:

Hi Leticia,

I noticed your correspondence included a reference to a forebear with the
name "de Coy." Do you know anything about the name?

I have an ancestor with that name, a female, Catalina Gomez de Coy married
to Juan de Caliz, living in Lepe, Spain, very south, near Portugal. They
lived in the late 1500's. Their son immigrated to New Spain & gave his name
as Bernardo de los Santos Coy. The name persists in south Texas.

One Mexican author I read was of the opinion that the name was from the
Scottish McCoy, introduced into Spain by a traveler coming to visit the
grave of Santiago.

I would appreciate anything you might know.

---------------------------------

¡Sé un mejor besador!
Comparte todo lo que sabes sobre besos en:
http://mx.yahoo.com/promos/mejorbesador.html

Hi Leticia,

Around 1600 there was Juan Ramírez de Coy living in Queretaro, married to Maria de Espindola. They had 3 children: Catalina (1599), Francisco (1607) and Jose (1613).

There was also a Catalina de Espindola who married Jorge de Villafuerte and had at least two daughters born in Queretaro: Antonia (1629) and Francisca (1640).

That information appears in the Vital Records Index.

Regards,
Hector Felix Aizcorbe

> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:17:14 -0500> From: marionicia@yahoo.com.mx> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Ramirez De Coy> > Hi! I have no clue, yet. > I am waiting for Lic. Mariano Gonzalez-Leal next edition of "Retonos de España en la Nueva Galicia", it will contain my ancestors. > My guess is "Ramirez De Coy" was converted to "De Cos" maybe during a procedure to claim a royal benefit. Merely an especulation on my part. Ramirez De Coy is a surname that arrived to Silao in a group of hidalgos which is equivalent to knight> > It seems surname "De Leon" suddenly started been used as "De Cos Y Leon"> > Here an extract from an e-mail from Don Mariano to me:> > "Silao fue en el Virreinato asiento de importantes actividades> agrícolas, que> atrajeron numerosas familias españolas nobles, cuyas probanzas son válidas> para las Órdenes Nobiliarias españolas, por ejemplo los Jasso, Ponce> de> León, Arguello, Fernández de Bobadilla, Fernández de Sousa, Franco de> Escalante, Olazabalegui, Sáenz de Tagle, Muñatones de la Sierra,> Cervantes-Rendon, Ramírez de Coy, de la Gasea, etcétera.> Como la mayor parte de las fundaciones españolas, Silao perdió> importancia> con la independencia. En el siglo XIX y a partrir de la guerra de> independencia comenzó a rezagarse, y mucho peor después de la> revolución de> 1910."> > I am not a good translator.> > My ancestor Miguel De Leon was born in Silao, Gto. on may 20, 1688, son of Jose De Leon and Gerónima Ramírez De Coy, his paternal grandparents were Juan De Leon and María De Escapa originals from Aragón, Spain. > > There is a web site related to surname Ramírez De Coy it is www.abuelos.com if I recall correctly.> > Hope answers arrive soon.> > > > > Jan Jaeckle escribió:> > Hi Leticia,> > I noticed your correspondence included a reference to a forebear with the name "de Coy." Do you know anything about the name?> > I have an ancestor with that name, a female, Catalina Gomez de Coy married to Juan de Caliz, living in Lepe, Spain, very south, near Portugal. They lived in the late 1500's. Their son immigrated to New Spain & gave his name as Bernardo de los Santos Coy. The name persists in south Texas.> > One Mexican author I read was of the opinion that the name was from the Scottish McCoy, introduced into Spain by a traveler coming to visit the grave of Santiago.> > I would appreciate anything you might know.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------> > ¡Sé un mejor besador!> Comparte todo lo que sabes sobre besos en:> http://mx.yahoo.com/promos/mejorbesador.html> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org

Hola a todos:

Estoy revisando este nodo antiguo y es necesario aclarar lo siguiente:

Juan Ramírez de Coy y María de Espíndola tuvieron más de diez hijos, no tres.

Su hija Catalina Ramírez Espíndola se casó con Matheo Sánchez, pero Juan tuvo otra hija mulata con el mismo nombre que se casó con Jorge de Villafuerte y era cuando menos 10 años menor que su media hermana.

Juan y María son mis abuelos décimos.

Saludos

Marcelina Macías

Leticia and others,

Yes, the name Santos Coy is still in So. Texas. There is information on Bernardo, who became prominent in the Nuevo Santander area. I have run into his name in the family center that has information on settlers in Nuevo Leon and Tamaulipas.

Juanita

Jan Jaeckle wrote:
Hi Leticia,

I noticed your correspondence included a reference to a forebear with the name "de Coy." Do you know anything about the name?

I have an ancestor with that name, a female, Catalina Gomez de Coy married to Juan de Caliz, living in Lepe, Spain, very south, near Portugal. They lived in the late 1500's. Their son immigrated to New Spain & gave his name as Bernardo de los Santos Coy. The name persists in south Texas.

One Mexican author I read was of the opinion that the name was from the Scottish McCoy, introduced into Spain by a traveler coming to visit the grave of Santiago.

I would appreciate anything you might know.

Thanks, Jan Jaeckle

Leticia Leon wrote:
Thank you for your offer. Any way I have a film number to order and also a date, may 20, 1688 baptism Silao, Gto. I was willing to see what the film content, through a batch number.

In fact that date was giving to me by Lic Mariano Gonzalez-Leal in reference to his so much expected book, Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia (II) which will have my De Cos Y Leon surname.

My 8th. ancestor, Miguel De Leon Y Ramírez De Coy was baptized that date in Silao. his grandpha Juan De Leon was born in Aragon, Spain.

conrique escribió:

No, Leticia. All LDS films do NOT have Batch numbers, - - - and the Librarians at the Family History Center we both frequent tell me that there is no Cross-Index list for Film #-to-existing-Batch numbers.
But Lynn Turner (of LDS in Salt Lake City and a member of this Forum) could set us straight if this is in error !

As to the Film Numbers that you inquired about (#291844, #291845, and #291846) of Silao, Guanajuato, I think they relate to church records of the Santiago Apostol Parish and I do not believe they have respectrive Batch numbers.

I do have 6 Batch Numbers/Film#s for the Santiago Apostol Parish in Neutla (ranging from 1719 to 1843) - - - if it is the same - - - that I can provide you, if they relate to your search.

Saludos,

Efrain

Thank you Efraín. If you need any name checking in the films I have on loan I can do it, already are listed in the films section of the group.

Recently, like three months ago a FHC has been stablished in Tijuana, B. C. and I made my first order. It is open tuesday and thrusday from 6 to 9 pm and sunday from 9 to 9.

God! I used to make a trolley and bus trip for 2 hrs 15 min from San Ysidro to Mission Valley and back. I don´t drive. My ancestors made that trip also for sure!

conrique escribió:

No, Leticia. All LDS films do NOT have Batch numbers, - - - and the Librarians at the Family History Center we both frequent tell me that there is no Cross-Index list for Film #-to-existing-Batch numbers.
But Lynn Turner (of LDS in Salt Lake City and a member of this Forum) could set us straight if this is in error !

As to the Film Numbers that you inquired about (#291844, #291845, and #291846) of Silao, Guanajuato, I think they relate to church records of the Santiago Apostol Parish and I do not believe they have respectrive Batch numbers.

I do have 6 Batch Numbers/Film#s for the Santiago Apostol Parish in Neutla (ranging from 1719 to 1843) - - - if it is the same - - - that I can provide you, if they relate to your search.

Saludos,

Efrain

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