The river "Rio de la mololoa" was the same "Rio de Santa Maria" but the "Hacienda de la Mololoa " is not the same "Hacienda de Santa Maria", booth located on the same river. "Santa Maria" hacienda was aprox. at latitude, longitude : 21.4275, -102.188 (You can search with these coordinates in googlemaps.com) and the "la Mololoa" hacienda must be in unknoed point at noreast, by de small river (which starts approximately at 21.568, -102.0 coordinates)
(Sorry for my english)
Regards from Encarnacion de Diaz.
Muchas gracias por estos datos. Si me imaginaba que los puestos o las
haciendas eran dos lugares diferentes y es lo que traté de aclarar en mis
mensajes sobre el tema. ¿Todavía existe la Hacienda de Santa María?
Saludos
Armando
On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 6:22 PM, wrote:
> The river "Rio de la mololoa" was the same "Rio de Santa Maria" but the
> "Hacienda de la Mololoa " is not the same "Hacienda de Santa Maria", booth
> located on the same river. "Santa Maria" hacienda was aprox. at latitude,
> longitude : 21.4275, -102.188 (You can search with these coordinates in
> googlemaps.com) and the "la Mololoa" hacienda must be in unknoed point at
> noreast, by de small river (which starts approximately at 21.568, -102.0
> coordinates)
>
> (Sorry for my english)
> Regards from Encarnacion de Diaz.
Segun me ha comentado Rodolfo Hernandez, el cronista de Encarnacion, la hacienda de Santa Maria se ubicaba donde actualmente se halla una pequeña rancheria llamada Santa Maria de Arriba, al oeste de Estacion Castro (Que fuera la Hacienda Santa Barbara, propiedad de la familia Guerra hasta que Miguel Leandro Guerra la dono para beneficio de la Educacion en Santa Maria de los Lagos ) y al este de Santa Maria de Enmedio (Aparentemente ubicada en antiguas tierras de la Hacienda de Santa Maria) Tambien está muy cerca de Santa Maria de Arriba, hacia el sur, "San Matias", antigua hacienda que hasta el dia de hoy sigue en manos de personas de apellido Guerra, hacia el norte se ubican tierras que fueron conocidas como "El gigante", y "Lo de Mendoza"
La Mololoa is not a town. It is/was a ranch or community or hacienda that I
have seen mentioned in many baptisms and marriages for Lagos. I have
contacted several relatives in Lagos by phone to ask about this place. Since
none of them knew offhand and I couldn't get a hold of two uncles that might
know we'll have to wait for a cousin to investigate and get back with me
about the exact location and size of this place.
If you notice some of the baptisms say La Mololoa and some mention Río de
Santa María. If you read a website about Encarnación de Díaz there is a
mention of el Rio de la Mololoa, llamado por los Españoles "Rio de Santa
María" which served as the limits of Teocaltiche, Jalostotitlán, Santa María
de los Lagos, San Juan, and la Encarnación. The ranch would have been next
to el Río de La Mololoa probably close to Encarnación de Díaz since that is
where many of your ancestors are from.
> Hello,
>
> I have a question about this baptismal after the parents name it reads
> "Luis Valdez & Anna Lopez de Lara, de la Mololoa???" Is that a town Mololoa?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Monica
>
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/**MM9.3.1/TH-1-18568-44999-17?**
> cc=1874591&wc=12506717
>
I have seen Rio de Sta Ma. on certificates & I did not realize they were the same place thank you for the info. Please share what you find from your Lagos relatives if you will, I am fascinated with where all of this research is taking me.
This name intrigued me, so I did a little research.
There was a publication called the United States Investor, in volume 33, number 1, in 1922, there is a little information about the mining stock (not encouraging!) in two Mexican mines: El Favor and Molola. Unfortunately,it doesn't say where the mines are. Here's the url
The Engineering and Mining Journal, vol 96, no. 4, 1913, has little bit more. Under the heading of Guadalajara, it talks about some work being done at the El Favor and Molola mines: they built a high wall around the mine because of bandits. They have high grade ore (gold and silver) being shipped to Aguascalientes. Here's the url
I appreciate your help, and found those links very interesting. I have so much to read/learn and am grateful for your guidance.I found the name intriguing as well, sounds Hawaiian (haha).
Baptismal Record translation
The river "Rio de la mololoa" was the same "Rio de Santa Maria" but the "Hacienda de la Mololoa " is not the same "Hacienda de Santa Maria", booth located on the same river. "Santa Maria" hacienda was aprox. at latitude, longitude : 21.4275, -102.188 (You can search with these coordinates in googlemaps.com) and the "la Mololoa" hacienda must be in unknoed point at noreast, by de small river (which starts approximately at 21.568, -102.0 coordinates)
(Sorry for my english)
Regards from Encarnacion de Diaz.
Baptismal Record translation
Hola Miguel,
Muchas gracias por estos datos. Si me imaginaba que los puestos o las
haciendas eran dos lugares diferentes y es lo que traté de aclarar en mis
mensajes sobre el tema. ¿Todavía existe la Hacienda de Santa María?
Saludos
Armando
On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 6:22 PM, wrote:
> The river "Rio de la mololoa" was the same "Rio de Santa Maria" but the
> "Hacienda de la Mololoa " is not the same "Hacienda de Santa Maria", booth
> located on the same river. "Santa Maria" hacienda was aprox. at latitude,
> longitude : 21.4275, -102.188 (You can search with these coordinates in
> googlemaps.com) and the "la Mololoa" hacienda must be in unknoed point at
> noreast, by de small river (which starts approximately at 21.568, -102.0
> coordinates)
>
> (Sorry for my english)
> Regards from Encarnacion de Diaz.
Baptismal Record translation
Segun me ha comentado Rodolfo Hernandez, el cronista de Encarnacion, la hacienda de Santa Maria se ubicaba donde actualmente se halla una pequeña rancheria llamada Santa Maria de Arriba, al oeste de Estacion Castro (Que fuera la Hacienda Santa Barbara, propiedad de la familia Guerra hasta que Miguel Leandro Guerra la dono para beneficio de la Educacion en Santa Maria de los Lagos ) y al este de Santa Maria de Enmedio (Aparentemente ubicada en antiguas tierras de la Hacienda de Santa Maria) Tambien está muy cerca de Santa Maria de Arriba, hacia el sur, "San Matias", antigua hacienda que hasta el dia de hoy sigue en manos de personas de apellido Guerra, hacia el norte se ubican tierras que fueron conocidas como "El gigante", y "Lo de Mendoza"
Miguel Beltran
Baptismal Record translation help/question
Hello Monica
La Mololoa is not a town. It is/was a ranch or community or hacienda that I
have seen mentioned in many baptisms and marriages for Lagos. I have
contacted several relatives in Lagos by phone to ask about this place. Since
none of them knew offhand and I couldn't get a hold of two uncles that might
know we'll have to wait for a cousin to investigate and get back with me
about the exact location and size of this place.
If you notice some of the baptisms say La Mololoa and some mention Río de
Santa María. If you read a website about Encarnación de Díaz there is a
mention of el Rio de la Mololoa, llamado por los Españoles "Rio de Santa
María" which served as the limits of Teocaltiche, Jalostotitlán, Santa María
de los Lagos, San Juan, and la Encarnación. The ranch would have been next
to el Río de La Mololoa probably close to Encarnación de Díaz since that is
where many of your ancestors are from.
The website is
http://www.historiasyrecuerdosdeencarnaciondediaz.com/Sauces.html
Saludos.
Armando
On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 7:48 PM, wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I have a question about this baptismal after the parents name it reads
> "Luis Valdez & Anna Lopez de Lara, de la Mololoa???" Is that a town Mololoa?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Monica
>
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/**MM9.3.1/TH-1-18568-44999-17?**
> cc=1874591&wc=12506717
>
Thanks
Armando,
I have seen Rio de Sta Ma. on certificates & I did not realize they were the same place thank you for the info. Please share what you find from your Lagos relatives if you will, I am fascinated with where all of this research is taking me.
Thanks again!
All the best,
Monica Ochoa
Molola
This name intrigued me, so I did a little research.
There was a publication called the United States Investor, in volume 33, number 1, in 1922, there is a little information about the mining stock (not encouraging!) in two Mexican mines: El Favor and Molola. Unfortunately,it doesn't say where the mines are. Here's the url
http://books.google.com/books?id=Y_4gAQAAMAAJ&pg=RA1-PA34&lpg=RA1-PA34&…
The Engineering and Mining Journal, vol 96, no. 4, 1913, has little bit more. Under the heading of Guadalajara, it talks about some work being done at the El Favor and Molola mines: they built a high wall around the mine because of bandits. They have high grade ore (gold and silver) being shipped to Aguascalientes. Here's the url
http://books.google.com/books?id=FJEgAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA184&lpg=PA184&dq=el+…
Neither source says where the mine is. Since your baptismal register is from Lagos de Morena, it has to be in that area.
Your people could have been miners. Some people came from the Aguascalientes area to southern Arizona to work in the copper mines there.
On a side issue: I found a company that has an El Favor Mining Company stock certificate for sale. It is dated 1906 (they want $63.00 for it).
George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA
Thank you
Thanks George,
I appreciate your help, and found those links very interesting. I have so much to read/learn and am grateful for your guidance.I found the name intriguing as well, sounds Hawaiian (haha).
Best regards,
Monica Ochoa