Por gpf13 |

I have just read the entry in the book "Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara" (p. 336, #1769) for the dispensation of Sebastian de Chavez and Maria Gertrudis Macias, for 3rd degree consanguinity. The record is dated 27 Sep 1754, Mezquital del Oro, Zacatecas. The dispensation was apparently granted 25 Feb 1746.

If I have read the entry correctly, Sebastian de Chavez is the grandson of Joseph de Valderrama (his wife is not named). Maria Gertrudis Macias is the granddaughter of Nicolas Macias Valadez. Nicolas Macias Valadez and Joseph de Valderrama are brothers, but Nicolas is from the first wife and Joseph from the second wife of their unnamed father.

Nicolas's wife is named; she is Juana de Anda. Are they the Nicolas Macias and Juana de Anda who were married in Santa Maria de los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno, on 16 Sep 1680?

I can find baptisms for several children for Nicolas and Juana, but not the son (Juan) who is the father of Maria Gertrudis.

I can find little information on the Valderramas: I have the marriage date for Sebastian's mother Tomasa de Valderrama and Phelipe de Chavez (casados: 7 Nov 1708 and velados: 8 Apr 1709), but nothing else.

Who is the father of Nicolas and Joseph, and who are their mothers?

Any assistance would be appreciated.

George Fulton

Hi George:

Miguel is right about the Valderrama part. We still need to prove it just in case,
like genealogy its myth versus documentable proof. I can say its probably the right family
just being the Valderrama of Lagos de Moreno. Is there anything that says Joseph and
Nicolas were half brothers. Just a note they can be full brothers and still have different last
names. Nicolas was probably named after his great grandfather. A great example would
be the Guerra Valdez family. Every now and then you'll find two brothers although the same parents
use different surnames for various reasons. Surnames were important in colonial times especially
when it involved a title of nobility o Mayorazgo lots of exmaples in Mexico City.

Daniel Méndez Camino

Gorge:
Just a suggestion: Maybe you should consider the father of Nicolas and Jose could be a son of Matias Valderrama and Juana Vazquez Retamosa, married on February 27, 1634 in Lagos. Juana Vazquez Retamosa was the daughter of Mateo Macias Valadez y Vazquez Retamosa and his wife Catalina Lopez de Nava y Guerra

Miguel Beltran

Genealogy Research