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Navarro, DNA, Cepeda, Saucedo, Saravia

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  • Por Anónimo (no verificado) | Vie, 19/01/2007 - 16:15

    Hi, I’m looking for genealogical and biographical information regarding Victoriano Navarro, his parents Domingo Navarro & María Encarnación Cepeda, and his grandparents José María Navarro & Fernanda Saravia and Rafael Cepeda & Rosa Saucedo.
    Victoriano Navarro was from Ocotlán, Jalisco. He and his son José Guadalupe moved to Coahuila.
    On 1835 he married Victoriana Elizondo (widow, great-grandmother of President Madero). They had three children: Ma. Refugio, Ma. Isabel and Raymundo.
    After Victoriana died, he married her niece Ma. Manuela de la Garza and they had six children: Ma Isabel, Victoriana, Serapia, Luís Manuel (4th Mayor of Torreón), Beatriz and Gilberto.
    He died on 1873.
    Y-DNA testing indicates this Navarro lineage belongs to Haplogroup R1b1c, which originated among the Cro-Magnon men who populated Europe about 30 thousand years ago.
    I’d appreciate any information on these families.

    Hola, estoy buscando información biográfica y genealógica referente a Victoriano Navarro, sus padres Domingo Navarro & María Encarnación Cepeda, y sus abuelos José María Navarro & Fernanda Saravia y Rafael Cepeda & Rosa Saucedo.
    Victoriano Navarro era originario de Ocotlán, Jalisco y se mudó a Coahuila junto con su hijo José Guadalupe.
    En 1835 se casó con Victoriana Elizondo viuda de Madero (bisabuela del Presidente Madero)y tuvieron tres hijos: Ma. Refugio, Ma. Isabel y Raymundo.
    Luego de enviudar de Victoriana, se casó con la sobrina de ésta, Ma. Manuela de la Garza, y tuvieron seis hijos: Ma Isabel, Victoriana, Serapia, Luís Manuel (4º Presidente Municipal de Torreón), Beatriz y Gilberto.
    Murió en 1873.
    Pruebas genéticas del cromosoma Y indican que ésta rama de la familia Navarro pertenece al haplogrupo R1b1c, mismo que se originó hace unos 30 mil años entre los hombres de Cro-Magnon que poblaron Europa hace uso 30 mil años.
    Agradezco cualquier información sobre éstas familias.

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    I am also in the R1b1c haplogroup. I am under the impression that there is much ongoing debate about the "origins" of this haplogroup. What is your source regarding the "30,000 years ago" origin in Cro-Magnon man? Thanks in advance,
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    Navarro, DNA, Cepeda, Saucedo, Saravia

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    Navarro R1b1c haplogroup and Cro-Magnon

    Hi, regarding the 30K years ago origin in the Cro-Magnon men, my source is National Geographic's Genographic Project.
    In their website you can go to "Atlas of the Human Joruney", then "Go to: Genetic Markers", then to "Y Chromosome R1b", and there they say how about 30K years ago a Cro-Magnon man gave rise to marker M343, the defining marker of haplogroup R1b (also present in the ones derived from it, including R1b1c). I haven't heard anything regarding the origins of R1b1c itself, please let me know if you have any information. However, I understand R1b1c men descend from R1b men, Cro-Magnon men.
    Regards,
    VN

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